I found that meanwhile I can get almost everything cheaper at Amazon or Ebay. Unfortunately for the LGS. But I’ll keep buying there from time to time for the sake of loyalty.
If I find more space for more games.

Fortunately I won the next battle

Option B is certainly all-or-nothing. However, if I lose, the COGS will have to fight another Company of mine at the sector they’re trying to move to, so I may be able to go risky
St. Anuman has the campaign medal that gices re-rolls on penetration, so impoves his effectiveness against the Vandal.

I can’t 100% guarantee the Vandal will be there, but this build will make mincemeat of any type ones he fields or summons anyway.

One issue is activation order: If I win authority and bring on Jindo first into overwatch, there’s the risk that the Vandal will position itself so only half Jindo’s guns can fire.
I could put JU and ETs as last two, and use delayed activation if neccessary to make sure they both come on after the Vandal.

Re. ONI, I’m the first to get any in my group. I don’t think the 1 repair of the LD is worth it, but Option C could have a nice surpise factor.

You’ve got snipers to hep deal with that situation should it arise. I find the medtec + K-shooter combo to be devastating good choice there.

You don’t want to get into a shootout with the cogs and taking out the vandal is going to be the highest priority. I would risk using the 3 easy trike combo last activation, first activation and hope to take out the vandal, you have K-shooters to back them up. Then just BBQ around the board if they survive or focus on the smaller afvs.

I find with Jindo it is either all or nothing, it can pay off big or fail miserably. I haven’t had much chance to play with ONI as a mercenary force so I’m not sure how that would play out.

I would tend to lean towards option B if I knew a vandal was coming, that would put a serious dent in the cogs ability to deal damage from the first few turns and make it safe for your (few) infantry.

As it’s a relaticely open map I expect COGS to field a Vandal, plus thier normal Type 1 AFV-summoning.

I plan to use St Anuman’s hijacking ability to turn the COG AFVs against them, with possible ONI backup (I have ONI Box plus Samedi another Lt Enforcer).

Possible lists:

Option A.

Platoon 1
– 2 K-Shooters*
– 3 Medtec
– Jindo-Un (+ Saint Anuman)
– 2 Easy Trike (Mentor)
– 2 Kaptars Sniper Team*
Platoon 2 (ONI)
– 3 Medtec*
– 1 Light Destroyer (Samurai)
Off platoon
– 3 Civilians
[*Re-enforcements]

The 4 AFVs plan to sieze the centre, the ONI LD provideing repair to keep the others in play. Disadvantage – no grounding and little dedicated anti-infantry.

Option B:
Platoon 1
– 2 K-Shooters* (Mentor)
– 3 Medtec
– Jindo-Un* (+ Saint Anuman)
– 3 Easy Trike (Mentor)
– 2 Kaptars Sniper Team*
Off platoon
– 3 Civilians

Similar tactics, fielding a 3rd ET for survivability instead of relying on repair. Similar disadvantages.

Option C.
Platoon 1
– 2 K-Shooters*
– 3 Medtec
– Jindo-Un (+ Saint Anuman)
– 2 Easy Trike
– 2 Kaptars Sniper Team*
Platoon 2
– 6 Super Zombie R. Alpha (+ Samurai B. Samedi, 1 Zombie Gun)
Off platoon
– 3 Civilians

A more balanced list. The 3 Zombie Guns provide grounding and possiblity to convert infantry as well as AFVs.

Any thoughts?
(posted here as my oponent reads the RE forums)

There is no simple explanation as to why some have success while others do not. Tabletop gaming is and will always remain outside the mainstream, particularly with the advent of PC / video gaming…as well as the portability and lesser space needed for board and card games. That being stated, there is, however, a commited group of individuals interested in table top miniatures style games.

So what of AT-43 and Rackham as a whole…?

AT-43 has an interesting theme, prepainted miniatures, and is relatively easy to learn and play, but has tactical depth…sounds good so far. However, speaking from my own experience, I live in Phoenix, AZ where there are only 2 active tabletop game related stores, which both stock and sell Rackham products, but the tables and calendars are booked with GW and a few others…NO Rackham or AT-43.

Some 20 years ago, a friend and I discovered a store in North Los Angeles which was very small but very well run for its time. The owners actively played games alternately with the customers using their own miniatures, not requiring any purchases, etc…and after a couple of plays I became hooked.

My advise to Rackham is this….you need to develop grass root support for your products through “liaison gamers’ who will target and recruit your audience.

I see many people go in and out of gaming specialty stores empty handed and game tables sitting unused. Why? Every customer is an opportunity, particularly the 10-15 age group. As a liaison, I would set aside a table for AT-43 for a demo during peak times, set up display materials to be viewed, and have the game packs, starters, etc. ready at hand with prudently marked down items.

Last world on the subject: If you are a gamer, it’s not an either/or proposition. Most gamers play multiple titles. There is no reason why GW and Rackham cannot coexist. Players will have preferences and there is SO much about AT-43 to like and different from the competition, that it should succeed. Evaluate the areas within the US and Europe where it is selling well and being actively played, and I will show you players and owners recruiting. Stores and games have much in common – their live span depends upon ‘new’ blood.

Hope that clears things up a little. Thanks for pointing that out though, when we read that rules forum post it made us scratch our heads and say “what?”.

Not to mention the T-regulator advantage (running and shooting) the disadvantage in small games is not noticeable as you have few units thus the random deployment hurts not that much

UNA (*):
- Fire Crawler (-)
- Copperhead (Colonel G. Stark)
- 3 Steel TacArms (Sergeant, Laser Targeter)
- 8 Star Troopers (Sergeant, 1 Volcano MG, 2 Medic)
- 7 Steel Troopers (Master-Sergeant, 1 Missile Launcher, 2 Mechanic)

THERIANER:
- 6 Grims Golems (Omega, 1 Flamer)
- Baal Golgoth (Relay)
- 3 Bane Goliaths (Relay)
- Incubus Golgoth (Alpha)
- 6 Storm Golems (Alpha, 1 Sonic Gun)

RED BLOCK:
- 12 Krasnye Soldaty (Captain, 3 Grenade Launcher, 2 Medic)
- 8 Krasnye Soldaty (Sergeant, 1 Grenade Launcher, 2 Mechanic)
- 6 Dragonov Kommandos (Sergeant, 1 Sniper Gun, 1 Medic, 1 Electronic warfare)
- Urod (Colonels Odin & Manon)
- Dotch Yaga (-)

KARMANS:
- 4 Kaptars (Mentor Freezer, Mechanic, Karmic Warrior)
- 5 Wendigos (Venerable Cornelius, Medic, Karmic Warrior)
- 2 Jungle Trike (Mentor)
- Storm Mammoth (Guru, Karmic Warrior)

COGS:
- 4 Warmongers (C-naps G09, G45)
- 4 Sharpshooters (C-naps G36)
- 1 Prowler (-)
- Vandal (-)

ONI:
- 8 Zombies Detonator (-)
-12 Super Zombies Reanimator (Shomyo, 2 Zombie Gun Bearers, 1 Zombie Master, 1 Medic)
- 3 Zombie TacArms Alpha (Samurai)
- Vlad (Shogun N. Bokov)
- 1 Medium Destroyer (-)

The Cogs have a difficult time

So EU prices are high. Maybe in US nobody will buy stuff which will have same prices as in EU ))

I know few players, we starting some advertisement on some game week, gamecons and more. Problem is that no game shop has this stuff and nobody want it put in stock.

If I compare shipping cost from US to Czech. Its same price per model as in EU.
for example unit cost 10$ in US, with shipping to CZ it costs 10 Eur.
Its still good, but new models is near same, mostly better to buy directly from R.

We need some advertisement and at least on shop with stuff
One month ago I have done some exhibition of AT-43 on one game week. Many games were there, and a lot of people said that AT-43 is very very good looking and great game.
and asked me, where can they buy it.
I said… ehm, EU and US.
So I wont be new distributor, I have another biz.

TOG game is in all shops Many gamers have same level of frustration with painting , scenery, IGOWHOLEARMYOUDIEINFIRSTROUD etc. I will want other game, if they know more about that..

And we lost few players with old rules problem (routines, errata for many units etc.)

look at the offer our shops
http://www.cernyrytir.cz
http://shop.fantasy.cz/
http://www.pekelnykotlik.cz/
http://tomovyhry.cz
http://www.hras.cz
http://www.planetaher.cz
http://www.rebelshop.cz

TOG, TOG, TOG and a lot of other minis games.

I think ONI will make better reputation

Would a dedicated player locator help you find more players or do you think that because of the high shipping costs to the Czech Republic that the chances of there being any more AT-43 players is small?

MTG, TOG a lot of other shit there. But AT-43 not.

Our local gaming shop stopped selling AT-43 because of Rackham delay and high shipping cost from Rackham (stupidity from R). But its a year ago.

Now we re trying to help ourselves.

Its got Gorillas in Power armour! What more do you need!

Surprisingly very short time… I quess about one hour for one board… Its very easy. I’ll write more detailed work plan… I apologize for my english, I from czech rep.

http://img205.imageshack.us/i/24640502.jpg/
http://img210.imageshack.us/i/87184060.jpg/
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/75802009.jpg/

so feel free to use those dual urod to your hearts desire!

~Austin

Plz, add here COG starter list =)

There are also rumours that Mentor Freezer will be fixed soon by Rackham, possibly to co-incide with the Karmans Army Box release after Christmas. We already know that the Army Box will have some new rules released in the form of a new version of the King Mammoth equipped with twin Rocket Launchers, and there may also be some changes to the Jungle Trikes such as upgraded armour or structure points… we hope.

The original pre frostbite UNA troops are very hard to find right now, even firetoads are hard to come by. I don’t know when Rackham is planning on doing another batch of steel/star troopers or what camo scheme they would have.

Multiple camo schemes are a point of contention in the community lots of people love them lots of people hate them for creating a mismatched look on the battlefield. This is definitely not an indication of the health of rackham, just the crappiness of their overseas production, they just seem unable to do things correctly on time.

I feel your pain about UNA though, I have a friend that recently got into the game and is also having a ton of trouble getting UNA steel troopers and Fire toads.

One of my favourite sayings is “close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades” and that definitely applies to the stealthed units.

In AT-43 stealthed units are detectable you can see them on the battlefield you know where they are moving to and can move your troops to counter their own movement, you just can’t shoot them with precision weapons very effectively because you don’t know exactly where they are. Template weapons just need to be “close” and they will always miss and scatter to represent the fact the gunners are simply guessing at the exact location of the enemy.

These are also not repacks nor previousely released pieces. These are special version made for this box. The troops have mono-chrome tan pants instead of the red and tan camo. They are also missing the old emblems on the shoulder pads. Oden and Manon have new paint jobs, more simple, though the hair is brighter this round. And the vehicles have slightly “softer” looking paint jobs. Don’t worry, though, the vehicles look fine with your old army pieces and look great with this new set.

You also get 12 dice (the normal black Rackham ones, not the Red Blok Dice Tin version), 6 low walls (like in the Damocles set) and a very brief intro set of rules and a single page tactical “manual” which would be better named as a tactical insert.

Your Dragonov setup has an issue… in the army box you get 2 standard komandos, 1 EWS, 1 sniper, 1 officer, and 1 medic. You don’t get any standard komandos in an attachment box which leaves you with one slot short in your 9-man team. I suppose you could use your attachment box Gauss trooper in that slot if nobody cares at your table.

The only item that appears unchanged (beside the dice and walls) is the container. It matches the old containers perfectly.

The best part of this box, though, is the value. I can’t believe they put a Dotch yaga in there at this price. Nice.

Note that you can shoot the king mammoth on overwatch when it moves as your overwatch fires before it can engage its curtain of flames again.

Hope this helps.

http://www.figouz.net/AT-43/Army_Box.php

Shutting down a site with no warning to the sponsors that were contributing prizes, the users that had invested money in the hope of winning prizes was extremely ill thought out. In fact it appeared that no thought went into how to elegantly shut down at all. In my book one only does something like that out of pure frustration or anger hence the “nerd rage” moniker. If he was truly thinking of shutting the site why start a contest that required users to buy miniatures in order to enter?

Was I personally invested in said contest, yes I was. Was I venting about the extreme lack of professionalism and the feeling of being duped into a contest, that at the time, looked like it had no possibility of continuing? You bet I was.

I appreciate your honest opinion. You may never come back to read this comment but it is nice to know there are people out there that aren’t afraid to call you out on something.

Sounds like someone’s panties got in a bunch cause his favorite gaming website is getting taken down. Yea, the guy doesn’t want to do it anymore… get over it, it’s his choice to make.

Sheesh, give a guy his own website and he thinks he can just barf up any delusional miss-information about anyone.

Are there other generic miniatures news sites that would sort of fill in the niche out there?

Sounds like the game was a blast

Thanks,

Steve G.
Project Manager
AvatarArt

Ha! too late….

Now if only I can take this post down so no one can ever see it…

The cog fighters are taller than the containers, making them quite impressive on the battlefield. Ironically, the container and walls are useless for the cogs, since it provides no cover to them (special cog rule) and it does not block of sight, being smaller than the fighers. It does provide high ground for shooters, though.

Also, after trying the units of the Cog Army Box with the Easy AT-43 software, it appears that with that box’s composition, only the generic Cog army profile can be selected as a faction :

- All heroes belong to the C-Naps faction, which can only be used with a generic army or the C-Naps faction;
- The first section slot required (!) for a C-Naps army is *** Infantry (e.g. Hunters), which are not included in this set.

Furthermore, it is infortunate that no unit can include special weapon bearers, which are only available to the cogs at full unit numbers (for a very high AP cost).

Nevertheless, I’ve got to get my hands on those!

If they are making a profit off the boxes it kinda confirms that the minis at the current price point were a wee bit jacked up in price, tho.

My group’s settled on playing at 2500ap. What would you do with the extra 500ap? I’d upgrade the Buggy to a Mammoth.

Thats part of the beauty of AT43, you can build a specialized list to utterly stomp an opponents strategy, but your list is just as easily countered.

These new lists are less beginner lists, they aren’t the jack of all trade armies that you should start with, but an example of some highly specialized lists that excel at a particular strategy.

If you have an opponent that loves running frontline or Mind for instance this is a perfect way to take them down a notch.

But would it not be very vulnerable to anti-AFV infantry units, such as Bane Goliaths or Dragomirov Kolossus?

The Cogs standard infantry (Warmongers for instance) seem to come in boxes of 4 much like the karmans. I would think that they will be packaged similarly for their full range.

These guys will come in units of 2 much like the karman K-units.

Do you know by any luck:
1-if these figures shown here are to be heroes, or classical fighters?
2-if the painting we see is “final” or a high-grade showcase by Rackham?
3-if the cog armies are to include some relatively large units boxes (e.g. 5+figures per box)?

Thanks!

Silence Indigo

Arceo with jamers and jindo is a nasty combo with this list as well as the captured AFV’s can suddenly control points too. turning an empty RP/VP point on the opposite side of the board into one you control.

With this sale and a clear effort on the part of Rackham to reach out, I’m optimistic in a way I wasn’t last year. AT-43 really could be primed for a breakout. Let’s hope.

they were a bit cheaper
it was available at my local shop

You wuld’not belive how hard it is to get what you want in Lithuania… i was waiting for my rule book more than a month..
And the price is too hi for a new game (its a new game in Lithuania) its hard to atract new players becouse of hi prices and wery few minis in stock.

Love your website! Keep up the great work!

Francis

LGS are still relevant for play areas…but now we have the conundrum.

The only reason for a LGS to provide play areas is if the players are purchasing product from the LGS.

Some people are willing to spend a little extra coin to support their LGS. Myself, I only pick up things like paints, or if I need a single box of models such that the shipping cost I would pay equates to the savings off the retail price such that I may as well give the LGS my business, and it most certainly means more to them.

But for large purchases? I go straight to The War Store when I am starting a new army and need a large number of units all at once to get them on the table.

One of the things I did very quickly after getting into tabletop wargaming was to build my own table for play at home. It is not very difficult: two 2′ by 4′ pieces of MDF, some paint, a bunch of wood glue, some brushes, and some sand. Takes a few hours. Done.

Of course, with AT-43’s gaming tiles and all our containers and walls thrown in, you don’t even need the table built. Throw down a poster to mark the play area, place your terrain, and get to rolling dice.

Besides, unlike a previous poster, my LGS is up for supporting any games that the locals decide to suddenly take up/try out!

http://miniaturemarket.com/at_43_bitz

All these online sales are driving me craaaaazy~!

anyway, cry and wait!

Not getting CHO in my inbox was also a hassle. Hopefully they get those problems ironed out for next month.

I still think also that more info about “new” armies Cogs and Oni is in order…

For example, in Landing, we find we need more, smaller units in order to cover all the objectives. Yes they are elimated more quickly, but then again you get more activations too.

BTW you have a great site here. Ive found it very useful and enlightening – many thanks!

Paul

I’m a relative newbie to AT-43 but it seems to me that the effective use of combat drills is the key to victory

cheers,
Paul

At 2000ap I have to leave out too much of Karman Army. I do intend to try them at 2000ap first.

http://en-forum.at-43.com/viewtopic.php?t=1622&highlight=atis

Again, thanks for the awesome website!

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/5dsale2008.html#minis

Reps from R. are flying to North America this week to work on US.Canadian distribution issues personally.

So, they are taking it very very seriously and we should be up and running by the end of Nov.